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Post by hardingfv32 on May 9, 2007 8:46:17 GMT -8
Understandable! What kind of car or where this car is in the overall race is of no importance to a slow FF. Where else is he going to find a race that day? This is his little race and he is having fun. If you want him out of the way, you are going to have to find some other place on the that track that is as much fun. He didn't pay good money to worry about the quality of your race.
Brian
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Post by smsazzy on May 9, 2007 9:20:35 GMT -8
By Sports Racers, I mean DSR's, CSR's, FSR's, etc. Again, there are usually one or two per race weekend, and they are typically rather old.
Last weekend, we had a Diasio running about 4 seconds quicker than the Vee's, and a CSR that was a second slower then us. They were both very respectful of the Vee race and I was pleased.
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Post by Vracer on May 9, 2007 12:22:34 GMT -8
It seems that many of these problems are caused when the field bunches up during pace car laps for double yellow situations. Recently I have thought what it would be like if all the vee drivers either pulled off line to let the fords "re-create" their field behind the pace car and the vees would have an all vee restart. Another alternative would be for the Vees to go into the hot pits to re-form and join the field at the back of the pack (is this possible without incurring a penalty?). I know this is not a great proposition if your leading by two or three seconds and have several fords between you and the rest of the field, but it might lead to safer and more exiting races. It is just a thought so go easy on your reactions.
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Post by dave FF 50-aka "Harm" on May 9, 2007 13:12:20 GMT -8
Interesting idea. NASCAR has 2 lines for the restart. One line for the cars on the lead lap and the 2nd line for the rest. I have wished for this myself so many times I have lost count. It seems I end up in third O/A with the Porter cars I have been chasing just ahead of me, but with a Vee or two that was being lapped stuck in between. The pace/safety car pulls off and the hammers go down, with me almost running over the Vee as I try and keep up with the Porter cars. By the time the green flag flies, the Porter cars are gone and NOW I can pass the Vee! And of course, the poor Vee is totally rattled from having to be in the middle of the front running Fords. This past weekend that happen 2-3 times with all the restarts. dave The Fastest Fords were turning 32.5 while the fastest Vee (Blake) turned a 45.5. That's a whopping 13 seconds per lap difference for just over 2.2 miles.
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Post by qposner on May 9, 2007 14:46:17 GMT -8
Understandable! What kind of car or where this car is in the overall race is of no importance to a slow FF. Where else is he going to find a race that day? This is his little race and he is having fun. If you want him out of the way, you are going to have to find some other place on the that track that is as much fun. He didn't pay good money to worry about the quality of your race. Brian In your opinion it is understandable. I cannot understand HOW someone with twice the HP thinks they are racing a slower class. It should not be tolerated.
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Post by hardingfv32 on May 9, 2007 14:46:29 GMT -8
Vracer...very good idea. A couple of issues: 1) Do we have enough time to pull in to the pits? The pace car is gathering the field so the track can be worked on safely. We would have to be held in the pits until it came around again. 2) It might not be apparent to all the back marker Vees that we have in fact pulled into the pits.
Brian
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Post by Vracer on May 9, 2007 18:10:57 GMT -8
If you look at the stats we usually have at least two laps behind the pace car and I think that race control does not release the pace car until it has some resembleance of the field gathered behind it. I think that this would also resolve many of the "passing under yellow situations" that have occurred lately. If we used the pits the back markers making it to the end of the vee line in time for the restart it is of little consequence because the goal is to get the fords re assembled. If race control were willing to cooperate they could hold the vee laders in the pits (as more mid pack and other vees came in) until the back of the ford field passed then release the vees that made it to the pits close the pits with a red flag (with the exception of breakdown).
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Post by Bruce on May 10, 2007 19:32:04 GMT -8
Don't look too close but they may be putting another class in our group. I heard a rumor that they may be adding the FC's with us, because of FSCCA.
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Post by btatum on May 11, 2007 16:24:33 GMT -8
Bruce, you are correct that there has been discussion regarding adding FC to group four. This has been initiated by FC drivers wanting to get away from the fast cars that are running them over. However when you look at the numbers, group four already has a very healthy field of cars. Adding another faster class would only compound the problem the group is experiencing. Group two is a shrinking group that needs all the classes they have in it to make it a viable race group. Group four is a growing group that does not need the addition of another class. The numbers at Laguna alone paint the picture. 27 in group two, 53 in group four.
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Post by dave FF 50-aka "Harm" on May 15, 2007 9:47:43 GMT -8
As a side note, the reason the FC drivers want to move out of Grp 2 and into grp 4 is the same issue as has been voiced here, namely that the FC drivers have less hp than the FMs, CSRs, DSRs, FAs, etc and most of the drivers in grp 2 go fast on the straights and park in the corners. Just because one can afford a car with big tires and wings does not mean you can drive it.
Help me with my memory. At the driver's meeting last year @ Laguna, didn't the Ford and Vee drivers vote that when we had a 2nd (bonus) race for grp 4 that we would prefer having one race for the Fords only and the other for the Vees and F5s only? Well the July 14-15 regional schedule shows two races for grp 4. Am I wrong? dave
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Post by qposner on May 15, 2007 10:00:51 GMT -8
Don't look too close but they may be putting another class in our group. I heard a rumor that they may be adding the FC's with us, because of FSCCA. Is that legal? Can FC be paired with FV?
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Post by dave FF 50-aka "Harm" on May 15, 2007 12:53:56 GMT -8
Quinn, It is very legal. The GCR only says tin tops can not be combined with formula cars. I have run National races with FA,FC,FM, Fetc. No fun. dave
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Post by qposner on May 15, 2007 14:58:29 GMT -8
I figure it is legal for FF, but isn't there a 120% rule, or something like that, that would prohibit FV from pairing with FC?
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Post by Bruce on May 15, 2007 15:00:13 GMT -8
Dave, great idea, it would settle the problem for that weekend and since it is our Formula Car race weekend it would make it more fun for everyone. You are correct by the way.
Blake, can you make it happen?
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Post by brian on May 16, 2007 8:35:58 GMT -8
The 120% rule only applies to your particular class and national racing.
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