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Post by Bruce on Sept 28, 2009 10:21:55 GMT -8
The meetings agenda had four (4) parts. The manifold, direction of FV, parts availibility and input notification and participation. Manifold: There seems to be a problem of stabilizing the rules. Most of the discussion centered on this subject. Ron Chuck representing the manifold builders offered one that added additional dimensions. Another was of a spec manifold and/ or restrictior plate. In what direction should FV evolve? The concensus was to leave it as is. This was done by a show of hands. I do not recall any positive feedback towards disc brakes or engine change. The subject of slowly converting to Fst was not allowed since this was a FV meeting. Parts availibilty was discussed and one (1) answer was SCCA Enterprise was willing to manufacture and sell parts as need arises. It was suggested that others should be asked, since there were other offers to manufactor parts. This is a reactive approach with a proactive approach also brought up. The U.S. FV registry has approximately only 150 drivers signed up and would like to have everyone. This is important, so that all could be notified and can participate in any decisions pertaining to all things FV. I know I left something out, if someone out there knows please add. The US FV registry is www.formulavee.us/ The Club Racing Board is crb@scca.com A complete and more comprehensive account will soon be published. Please wait for it before commenting to CRB. |
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Post by Scott on Sept 28, 2009 12:00:23 GMT -8
"The consensus was to leave it as is. This was done by a show of hands."
Really........ Think the inmates might be running the asylum?
You are asking the 40 most die hard FV guys in the nation "is there anything wrong with your class" what do you expect them to say???
Of course, these are the same guys that ask "where is everyone" "why are the entry's down" Some of these guys cant see the forest through the trees.
This is one of the problems that I have with the FV community. It's very self serving.
How long did it take to get electronic ignition approved?
I love FV and always will. I think they, or should I say "we", need some sensible leadership.
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Post by bbonow on Sept 28, 2009 14:16:34 GMT -8
Think the inmates might be running the asylum? Scott, From the viewpoint of one of a very few non-cult members attending, the meeting was more like a southern baptist minister preaching to his chior. Can I get an amen!  |
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Post by qposner on Sept 28, 2009 15:30:51 GMT -8
Think the inmates might be running the asylum? Scott, From the viewpoint of one of a very few non-cult members attending, the meeting was more like a southern baptist minister preaching to his chior. Can I get an amen! Thats why we elected to watch the Atlantic race from Canada Corner instead of going to the meeting. I figured it would be more of the same. As I have said before, when I started racing in 1992 I was the youngest guy on the grid. For the most part, I still am. |
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Post by smsazzy on Sept 29, 2009 15:28:44 GMT -8
There were about 80-90 people in attendance, so only 40 of them were the drivers competing in the runoffs.
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Post by bbonow on Sept 29, 2009 16:19:18 GMT -8
80 to 90 people  I counted chairs before the meeting. 4 rows by 10 across with 5 up front and another 10 or so against the north wall. I'd go 60 at best, but agree 40 Runoffs drivers. Couldn't miss you, the only person wearing a TCR Motorsport t-shirt. ;D |
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Post by fv80 on Sept 30, 2009 5:52:48 GMT -8
.... The U.S. FV registry has approximately only 150 drivers signed up and would like to have everyone. .... Bruce's post is pretty close, but just to clarify what I said (or meant to say) ..we have only about 150 ACTIVE SCCA FV members in the Registry. The Registry itself has something over 350 members - however that includes participants in several other sanctioning bodies, some FST members, and a quite few that are not active racers. Steve, FV80 |
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Post by fv80 on Sept 30, 2009 6:10:51 GMT -8
... You are asking the 40 most die hard FV guys in the nation "is there anything wrong with your class" what do you expect them to say??? Of course, these are the same guys that ask "where is everyone" "why are the entry's down" Some of these guys cant see the forest through the trees. This is one of the problems that I have with the FV community. It's very self serving. How long did it take to get electronic ignition approved? I love FV and always will. I think they, or should I say "we", need some sensible leadership. short comments ... Who ELSE should one ask other than the people that put the MOST into PARTICIPATING in the class ?? A guy that races 6 - 8+ times per year IMHO certainly SHOULD have more to say about the future of the class than the guy (or gal) who races only once or twice a year. The FV Community *IS* and SHOULD BE very self serving ... who else would serve us ?? If you Love FV and always will ... ... then I'm not sure what you think we (the ones that are actually TRYING to do something ...) should do. We are trying to get responses from MANY about a very FEW questions. When I send out a specific question about "what do you think we should do about 'x' " to well over 100 FV drivers ... and get actual response from SIX .... how should we interpret that ?? Inquiring minds want to know :-). Steve, FV80 PS - this is just food for thought. I won't have the time to get back over on this board to debate it. We'll be working on getting some sort of report up from the Committee/SCCA and *I* will be specifically taking the suggestion from the meeting of trying to get emails for more of the FV participants in SCCA races via event registrars - I expect that to take MANY MANY ... MANY hours. (how many HOURS/DAYS/WEEKS/MONTHS have *YOU* [generic 'you' - not just you, Scott] put into trying to SOLVE the issues ?? [and bantering on forums doesn't get ANYTHING accomplished, so it doesn't count  ]. |
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Post by btatum on Oct 1, 2009 8:22:42 GMT -8
FV, FST, or any other class' popularity will be determined by the market place. If you design and build a sensible car and rules package then the one that makes sense will prevail. Only time will tell. The true visionaries are the people who anticipate the change and are willing to work towards that change ( I am not including myself). So we will see what happens. But no matter how you feel about any class or the whole Fv-FST debate do something. Build your car, clean up your existing car, buy a car, just do something.
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Post by brian on Oct 1, 2009 9:11:41 GMT -8
Scott baby, take a breath. The meeting was to get input not change the world. Any changes will still go through the CRB and membership input process to become a rule. It was my understanding that the CRB asked for the meeting to get a feel for what the class is thinking.
Many of those who attended are very active in preserving the class including vendors, coaches and board members. I think many of us old timers know exactly why entries are down and it's not due to any obsolesence in the class. Economic bad times hit the low cost classes the hardest and the vee community is no exception. The youth market doesn't relate to cars like it used to and even if we installed a screen and joy stick in every vee it won't change that fact. Everyone has the freedom to do what they wish and in SCCA that still applies. If you are upset at something not being done, you have the option to write a letter or start your own class. Does that sound familiar?
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Post by Bruce on Oct 8, 2009 21:20:25 GMT -8
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