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Post by Der Administrator on Dec 12, 2004 7:47:39 GMT -8
Please post your comments and opinons on the question.
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Post by DerElf on Dec 13, 2004 18:20:22 GMT -8
Hmmm, not a lot of action here.
But it is all probably "for the good of Formula Vee".
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Post by Bruce on Dec 13, 2004 20:35:41 GMT -8
I would ask to ask to consider the car as a whole. You may get more interest.
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Post by DerElf on Dec 13, 2004 20:54:09 GMT -8
The car is not the question. The future is the question.
I think most people do not want to answer this question because they don't like the answer they know they have to give.
Entropy is a horrible thing.
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Post by tvracer on Dec 14, 2004 7:48:23 GMT -8
I can't bring myself to answer the question because whenever I start to think of the answer, my head starts to spin like a top The money issue is so strong right now, that I can pretty much only look towards my own investment. Not necessarily nice but truthful. If money were not such an issue, I would definitely answer for the class. At the same time, I still want the class to survive, so in my view, I feel baby steps are needed... meaning the first priority is to try not to change the class and that is done by trying to get hard-to-find parts manufactured. Once that avenue fails, then yes, change the class, one part at a time. I've just spent the year and probably $2500 to get my whole car torn apart because of illegal hoops that I should have known about when I bought the thing, but the log book was signed off for the whole book on 1.25" hoops. In the end, my responsibility. And then the question is posed about my investment versus change to the class? No wonder I would be hesitant. I've already spent more than I should have. Anyway, because of the head spinning, I am not able to anwser the question Tom
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Post by btatum on Dec 29, 2004 10:14:40 GMT -8
I would throw my 1200 away today if I could have a 1600.
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Post by brian on Dec 29, 2004 12:07:35 GMT -8
You guys need to find something to do with your spare time. Talk to any class that has changed motors and you'll find it's no picnic. F440/500 & SRF comes to mind.
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Post by DerElf on Dec 29, 2004 14:41:44 GMT -8
Nice
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Post by JimEli on Jan 6, 2005 9:31:12 GMT -8
I guess I could throw all my squirrelled-away 1200 parts onto the front lawn next to my Sony BetaMax, 8-Track Stereo, and Edsel (you gotta have a bunch of old appliances to live in my neighborhood).
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Post by brian on Jan 6, 2005 11:29:07 GMT -8
Every "mature" class in SCCA is having the same discussions. FF, CSR, S2000 and yes, us. The issues is the same for all: expensive, outdated motors; technology cost escalations, (shocks, data aq. etc.; and dwindling fields. I really don't think there's much we can do for any of these classes except keep the supplies up and continue to run until we migrate to vintage.
The future is in spec street classes, limited prep rules in "race car" classes that keep costs down and embracing trends in the automotive world.
Which reminds me, Ian, when am I going to drive that m/c engine car of yours? Guys, I think that car may be the future of open wheel racing. Think of it, a simple inexpensive chassis and a bike engine that delivers 165+ hp through a 6 speed sequencial box. You can go to a junk yard and buy a totaled bike, usually brand new, for a $1500 and you get all the electronics and power plant for a resonably priced tube chassis. You may say that what D sports cars are and they're too costly but it's due to their bodywork, wings and fancy undertrays.
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Post by tvracer on Jan 6, 2005 11:53:53 GMT -8
Which reminds me, Ian, when am I going to drive that m/c engine car of yours? Guys, I think that car may be the future of open wheel racing. Think of it, a simple inexpensive chassis and a bike engine that delivers 165+ hp through a 6 speed sequencial box. You can go to a junk yard and buy a totaled bike, usually brand new, for a $1500 and you get all the electronics and power plant for a resonably priced tube chassis. You may say that what D sports cars are and they're too costly but it's due to their bodywork, wings and fancy undertrays. My Vee comes first, but I would have to agree Brian, as long as the wings and ground effects (if expensive) are removed. Plus the sound is great and ooooohhhhhh ahhhhhh, sequential shifting Here's a fun example: homepage.mac.com/lotuslad/iMovieTheater14.htmlTom
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Post by DerElf on Jan 6, 2005 13:42:41 GMT -8
....since you ask.
As much as I hate to admit it Brian is pretty close to right on this. The future of racing in the the SCCA is customer drivers in cars with fenders. The majority of people who can afford to run a race effort on a regular basis in these times are scared SPITLESS of the concept of open wheels.
With the oppressive onset of "SPEC CLASSES" (We started it guys) we have devolved to a bunch of Walter Mitty weenies racing converted street cars prepared by the few remaining REAL racers. SCCA will become the bastion of lawyers, doctors and tech geeks with the last remnants of the "internet money" in their sweaty fists. Open wheels scare them, besides Tom Cruise taught them all that "'rubbin's racin'" (Sorry Ian)
We can partially thank Tony George for this as his personal vendetta against the CART team owners, in form of "IRL" created a void in theminds of the young drivers coming up, giving rise to the monster that is NASCAR and killing off all the viable open wheel series in the continental USA.
So where might there be a future for open wheel cars in this country. Look to another Topic here...
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Post by myslowRCA on Jan 6, 2005 18:32:12 GMT -8
Yee...haw...only, I thought they were all insurance salesman
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Post by sweenrace on Jan 11, 2005 10:15:07 GMT -8
hey marty,
i thought there was an expletive function on this board. Brian mentioned "motorcycle engine" in his post? ;D
ian
P.s. I'm changin my motto from "rubbins racin" to "the boy dont have the b*lls to go round th'outside"
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Post by DerElf on Jan 11, 2005 13:31:15 GMT -8
Ian;
Good on you mate, I know you don't do much "Rubbin" (too smooth for that).
Do you still own you Irish Vee?
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