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Post by Scott on Dec 6, 2006 18:46:02 GMT -8
I see that the mid west and east FST participants are using the Hoosier R60 spec tire. They seem to be getting about 25-30 heat cycles before the tires start to go away significantly. Are we going to follow that rule or are we going to go with the American Racer spec CF tire? I am not sure that the AR will last as many cycles, however, I think the AR's are a little cheaper. Also, I herd the Phoenix guys are running soft FF tires. In my opinion that defeats the whole idea of the class.
Is it possible that we all can get on the same page? Do we need a rules committee for our region?
My vote would probably be for the Hoosiers. I also would like to follow the Mid West rules package exactly as they are written. What does everyone else think?
Scott
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Post by stinger1 on Dec 7, 2006 7:36:49 GMT -8
Scott,
I started the same discussion with people who have first started western movement (i.e. Volsep Stinger, Crusader, Mysterian( Marty) and evo importer down south) some time ago. The AR tires are readily available here and less expensive than the Hoosiers. It is another question as to their duarability on FST cars out here with our temps in the summer. According to the CF drivers who use them, they are very durable, work well and last. As far as arizona, they do not even race S.C.C.A. venues, are not members (as far as i know) and if you look at there engines they sell and use illegal (by the rules) cylinder heads. Specifaciilly they use 043 heads and the rules mandate the use of VW 040 or mofoco knock-off heads. Further, i do like the idea of our rules being the same, however it will weigh more in our being identical "only" when we race each other. I personally have NO plans on going east soon, or ever, until we have a national class and are welcome at the Run-Offs. My other concern is the restrictor plate and a one source supplier that is a private company. No private company should have a monoploy on this "mandated piece of ____" It is nieve to think that they do not get money or business from this item, regardless of there claims of "selling them for cost". Any busnessman knows and pays alot for exposure to a market place, especially a new market. Every time a "mandatory res plate" is sold it is valuable exposure to the company selling it and items specifically for the same car and class. If we have to use them, National S.C.C.A. should have them fabbed, numbered, issued and kept control of. I fabbed my own "official" res plate.......
Bob
VolSep Stinger Racing
Ripon,Ca
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Post by btatum on Dec 7, 2006 17:23:27 GMT -8
I already bought new American Racers from McCoy. These are the same tires the club ford guys use. The main advantage is they will probably give us their take offs. I also bought two restrictor plates.
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Post by Scott on Dec 7, 2006 20:00:45 GMT -8
Bob, I really have no problem with the restricter plate being made by one source, conversely, I don't really care if you make your own as long as it is made to the same criteria as everyone else. The reason I like the mid west rules package has nothing to do with the possibility of racing with, or against them, I just think that their rule package is well thought out and seems to be standing the test of time, so far anyway. IMO for the class to be successful here I think we need to establish a set of rules, and stick to them. Maybe you, me, Blake, and anyone else that is interested should get together and work this out so we don't end up like the Phoenix group.
Scott
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Post by sweenrace on Dec 8, 2006 14:42:17 GMT -8
here's some food for thought....What does a restrictor plate cost? there probably isnt enough business in selling the plates to support multiple vendors. hence you can only have a natural monopoly. Its probably not a bad thing that they are coming from a single source in that they should be consistent.
Now, if that monopoly happens to be the scca, then you get screwed on the price and cant do anything about it cos no one else can enter the market.
how about some pics of the new cars in their various states of completion?
Ian
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Post by stinger1 on Dec 9, 2006 7:45:30 GMT -8
Ian,
I disagree. It is a mandated performance reducing/limiting device. It should not be dealt with and controlled by a private company that caters to an exclusive market regardless of size. As far as S.C.C.A. ripping us off, i look at it as the best control of the part from a neutral entity, money for our club coffers and you only have to buy it once. It will never go bad or wear out. As it is now (one supplier for plate) no one else can make there own (legally), now. I think it should be the S.C.C.A. If we agree to keep the same rules as Cen-Div, then the rules should be the same down the line. Tires, wheels etc. etc. as Scott indicated ....
Bob
VolSep Stinger Racing
Ripon,Ca
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Post by GeorgFischer on Dec 10, 2006 11:47:56 GMT -8
My other concern is the restrictor plate and a one source supplier that is a private company. No private company should have a monoploy on this "mandated piece of ____" It is nieve to think that they do not get money or business from this item, regardless of there claims of "selling them for cost". Any busnessman knows and pays alot for exposure to a market place, especially a new market. Every time a "mandatory res plate" is sold it is valuable exposure to the company selling it and items specifically for the same car and class. If we have to use them, National S.C.C.A. should have them fabbed, numbered, issued and kept control of. I fabbed my own "official" res plate....... Bob VolSep Stinger Racing Ripon,Ca Bob, How can the plates be made by SCCA (Enterprises I assume?) when the class is not recognized by the SCCA National office? The class is only recognized by three divisions of SCCA as a regional class. In order to get the class going, someone has to make them. Jim has simply offered to have a local machine shop (doing mostly military spec work) building the plates to the official specs. Nothing more or less than that. Let's all work together to get the class going (with common rules). There are 6 or more cars out west and only 1 has been on the track to date (SCCA event). Work together with the guys out west and go do some races as a group. That's all we ever did back East and in '07 we expect to get a few races with 15 to 20 car grids. Don't worry about the small details, just concentrate on events and entries. With the new changes in classification policy at SCCA, FST will be a National class in short order. +GF+ |
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Post by Scott on Dec 12, 2006 18:07:17 GMT -8
Quote: how about some pics of the new cars in their various states of completion?Ian, those pictures are "Top Secret"  Scott
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Post by stinger1 on Dec 17, 2006 9:10:20 GMT -8
Mr Fischer,
You are absolutely right about getting cars on pre-race grid. When will your car be ready? The VolSep Stinger can be seen on the FST web-site at our S.C.C.A. test session at a Solo event, last year. That was a cheap/fun way to see if car worked. It was a fun one mile course......I think it would be fun and useful to have the F-mod class upgrade to FST specs and have dual purpose cars, of course with NO RESTRICTOR PLATE..........
Bob
VolSep Stinger Racing
Ripon,Ca
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Post by stinger1 on Dec 17, 2006 9:12:05 GMT -8
Ian,
It was a pleasure sharing the pics of the VolSep Stinger with you. Thanks for your input. I look forward to meeting you this season...
Bob
VolSep Stinger Racing
Ripon,Ca
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Post by GeorgFischer on Dec 17, 2006 11:12:57 GMT -8
When will your car be ready? Bob, Here are two of my creations now located in the LA area:  A third was shipped as a "kit" and is being assembled for '07 competition. As for a car to call my own, maybe this summer. I am converting an Adams Aero from FV to FST at the moment that should also hit the track in '07 (Midwest). Ian, Any photo you wish, I'll be glad to post it here. +GF+ |
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Post by stinger1 on Jan 1, 2007 9:37:21 GMT -8
George,
"creations" i will have to start using that word for my work. I have seen those, nice.
Why an Adams (which i think will be a great looking FST)?
Bob
VolSep Stinger Racing
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Post by GeorgFischer on Jan 1, 2007 14:19:40 GMT -8
Bob,
I'm really an Evo man, but the Adams popped up as one of those "to cheap to pass by" deals. The rack mount is added to the chassis and reassembly has begun. I'll post a pick or two this week. We've been kicking around names and I think "Adamzilla" is the winner. We do have a longer nose to get rid of that standard Adams "stubby" look.
OA, the Adams seems to be a simple conversion.
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Post by heapcoup on Jan 30, 2007 7:48:58 GMT -8
George;
I would like to see your Adams conversion. Would you send me some pictures?
send to: heapcoup at sbcglobal (period) net.
BTW: evil software is now recognizing the word dot in email names we try to disguise, so I go with period.
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Post by GeorgFischer on Feb 1, 2007 21:03:17 GMT -8
Harry,
(Gomez) Adams FST photos are inbound.
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