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Post by dave FF 50-aka "Harm" on Sept 16, 2014 16:20:43 GMT -8
We had a BIG run group (45+) this past weekend with a ton of FC's (16) and a ton and a half of FF's (20). We, as a bunch of amateur racers, are always cursed with mixed race groups unless you race a SM or a SRF. Fact of life except at the Runoffs. I realize there was a protest and a counter-protest regarding "unsportsmanlike conduct" after Sunday's race between a CF driver and a FV driver. We all know a car being driven below its potential can disrupt the slower class in a mixed class race group. Here is a current thread on Apexspeed regarding the same issue of mixed class races. www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=445530I am wondering if we can come up with a less confrontational solution to our issue. A town meeting? One on one discussions? Swords or dueling pistols? Any thoughts? Any venting? dave |
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Post by Dan Wise on Sept 16, 2014 20:20:25 GMT -8
It's why I stayed home. No sense in paying big money to be in the way.
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Post by qposner on Sept 16, 2014 20:33:49 GMT -8
We had a BIG run group (45+) this past weekend with a ton of FC's (16) and a ton and a half of FF's (20). We, as a bunch of amateur racers, are always cursed with mixed race groups unless you race a SM or a SRF. Fact of life except at the Runoffs. I realize there was a protest and a counter-protest regarding "unsportsmanlike conduct" after Sunday's race between a CF driver and a FV driver. We all know a car being driven below its potential can disrupt the slower class in a mixed class race group. Here is a current thread on Apexspeed regarding the same issue of mixed class races. www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=445530I am wondering if we can come up with a less confrontational solution to our issue. A town meeting? One on one discussions? Swords or dueling pistols? Any thoughts? Any venting? dave We all know who the driver was that was performing below the car's potential. It has been going on for YEARS and I had the IDENTICAL issue with him in June. Just like last weekend, he protested me for blocking him on the straight as well. And I would do it again. Perhaps it would be helpful if his class members would talk to him or other drivers in the back of the FF field. Things get too heated when we do it, which was evidenced by the argument I got into with him. It seems many drivers at the back of the FF field believe it is the lead FV pack that needs to figure out how to deal with them and that they do not have a duty to be courteous about not disrupting our races (especially since we run away from them (him) once we pass). I was specifically told by that driver that it is OUR responsibility, not his. Im sorry, but there is no excuse for this attitude that goes on and on and on. It would be great if FF drivers could take these others drivers aside. Perhaps they wouldnt feel attacked. There are a lot of egos on the track and no one wants to feel like they are lesser than what they are in their minds' eye. Some class friends talking to him may alleviate some of that. |
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Post by Bruce on Sept 17, 2014 11:45:44 GMT -8
This is the third time at this track between this singular CF driver and three different FV drivers. Each time he reacts as if he is in a race with them. He has been told they are not racing him, do not wish to race him and he is interfering in their race. He is in a different class, but he does not listen.
Have you heard about any penalties from this, his latest confrontation? We, the FV community have tried talking to him, more than once over the decades, but he reacts as if he has the right to race FV's because he can't race anyone in his own class.
The Region knows the problem, but it seems they are reluctant to push any penalty on him.
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Post by qposner on Sept 17, 2014 12:08:59 GMT -8
This is the third time at this track between this singular CF driver and three different FV drivers. Each time he reacts as if he is in a race with them. He has been told they are not racing him, do not wish to race him and he is interfering in their race. He is in a different class, but he does not listen. Have you heard about any penalties from this, his latest confrontation? We, the FV community have tried talking to him, more than once over the decades, but he reacts as if he has the right to race FV's because he can't race anyone in his own class. The Region knows the problem, but it seems they are reluctant to push any penalty on him. After he protested me, the stewards protested him on their own for not using his mirrors. Did it do any good? Nope. Also, they upheld his protest against Weisheit. DOnt think they did ANYTHING to the FF driver despite my statement, Jake's statement and Weisheit's statements. Too bad. Something needs to be done before things escalate. And they will. |
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Post by Bruce on Sept 21, 2014 8:09:41 GMT -8
I think it was bad that Weisheit took a penalty. This CF driver is now only convinced he has done nothing wrong.
Dave, would it be possible to hold a group meeting and try to come to a solution? We plan on doing the final Regional at T-hill. It would be nice if he would use his mirrors and look to see if he is holding anyone up. Playing follow the slower guy is not much fun.
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Post by brian on Sept 21, 2014 12:55:52 GMT -8
The SOM can only rule on the facts presented covering the current event. Prior experiences and history represent hearsay and cannot be considered by the court. After reviewing videos from this event, the court, while recognizing the slow speed of the CF, didn't not witness blocking and did not rule against the CF car in question. The FV driver readily admitted to blocking and gave the SOM no option but to rule against him.
In the past, I have always recommended writing a protest to document a problem to assure that a trail of evidence follow an offending driver. In absence of this trail of evidence, the courts are hard pressed to progress to greater penalties like probation, suspension and possible permanent exclusion from future events. This particular driver has received a warning regarding his mirrors and maybe additional protests will result in some remedy.
I see two possible options. One is to distribute a petition that the drivers can list their experiences over the past few years and request a driver's review from the Executive Steward from NORPAC Ken Jones. The petition may be disallowed for hearsay but it will document the ongoing problem. The second option is to approach the RE, Gary Pitts, with the petition and request that this driver be denied access to SF events. The region has the option to deny entries. If the majority of vee drivers are willing to withhold entries in response to a lack of action, the region may be willing to act.
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Post by qposner on Sept 21, 2014 20:45:27 GMT -8
I see two possible options. One is to distribute a petition that the drivers can list their experiences over the past few years and request a driver's review from the Executive Steward from NORPAC Ken Jones. The petition may be disallowed for hearsay but it will document the ongoing problem. The second option is to approach the RE, Gary Pitts, with the petition and request that this driver be denied access to SF events. The region has the option to deny entries. If the majority of vee drivers are willing to withhold entries in response to a lack of action, the region may be willing to act. Sounds like some good ideas to me. |
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