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Post by GeorgFischer on Sept 6, 2006 16:45:14 GMT -8
Well, looks like the FV disc brake proposal has been made and is out for member input. You can read it here: www.formulavee.org/interchange/viewtopic.php?t=229 It will go into the September FASTRACK and input is welcome. Like it or hate it, start voicing your .02 here: crb@scca.comVoicing it here (or over there) will do absolutly nothing. +GF+
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Post by brian on Sept 7, 2006 8:57:12 GMT -8
The proposals will appear in the October Fastrac which will post on 9/20. The Sept. Fastrac does not have any of these proposals so don't waste your time looking.
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Post by GeorgFischer on Sept 18, 2006 15:44:15 GMT -8
Well excuuuuuse me, Yes, It's the October Fastrack that comes out in September. I'm sure Brian will be in full support of this one +GF+
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Post by brian on Sept 19, 2006 9:07:08 GMT -8
Certainly you jest!!! It just what the class needs a $600 upgrade to be competitive.
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Post by sweenrace on Sept 19, 2006 19:25:50 GMT -8
it gets my vote....no more brake adjustments and waiting months to get a new set of mean green brake shoes at $100+ per axle...
Not trying to start a flame here but I dont think it will make a difference performance wise. We can lock wheels with the drums already and as you pointed out to me at the runoffs, Brian, discs drag more.
Ian
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Post by Ex-VDF 1 on Sept 20, 2006 9:54:10 GMT -8
In April of this year I got a set of front brakes from Mike Palermo at Peak Performance. They were $43.00 with core charges. I don't know who makes them, but they work as well as the green shoes and are not short-lived.
I'm with Brian on this one. We don't need disc brakes. You can reach Mike at 303-838-9515. Leroy
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Post by brian on Sept 20, 2006 12:01:27 GMT -8
The big advantage for the discs will be their ability to be linear in response and more consistent under heavier braking. The average driver will improve his threshold braking and that will make them a required item. Yes, we will still have the skinny tires to limit the total friction but it will make late braking easier. After 40 years working on VW,s 30 years in the class, and once owning a nine stall brake shop, it is my humble opinion that this is bad for FV.
If you don't like working on cars you're in the wrong sport. Either get an arrive and drive car or join your wife at the quilting club.
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sweenrace
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Post by sweenrace on Sept 21, 2006 11:29:39 GMT -8
Ouch!!...why dont you tell me how you really feel ;D
Brian and Leroy, I respectfully disagree with your positions.
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Post by brian on Sept 21, 2006 15:45:37 GMT -8
Hate to offend you Ian, but I've grown tired of people wanting to change FV because they either don't like working on cars or they're the wrong size for the class. It would be like me asking the NBA to ban tall people because I'm short.
This will cost hundreds of dollars to convert, probably more if you can't do the work yourself. That may very well cause some folks to quit racing. It would be different if the class was dying or there weren't any parts available but that just isn't the case. Our region is healthy and there will be over 40 cars at the Runoffs.
If folks want to make their FV more "modern" there's Formula First. I'm sure you've seen the Formula 1000 postings and that looks really promising, maybe some folks would be happier in that class.
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Post by GeorgFischer on Sept 21, 2006 19:04:58 GMT -8
I'll be sending my "official opinion" to Topeka, but might as well spout off my .02......
This proposal is phase 1 direct from the FVAHC. As I understand, the FVAHC wish to modernize FV over the next few years to be mostly like First with the exception of 4 x 15 wheels and the 1200 engine. My question would be, what is the ultimate goal for this revamp of FV? Will these changes bring in more new people than the old timers it will chase away? Are these changes going to return FV to its former popularity and glory?
As Brian pointed out, weight penalty or not, they will become a must have item. If legalized, in 5 years I'd bet that every car at the Runoffs will be running disc brakes.
First was started as a separate class with the specific purpose of NOT messing up FV. Now the FVAHC want to mess it up anyway.
I just don't understand the FVAHC's reasoning or rationale. I give the FVAHC credit for the hard work they do for no money, but I sure hope they know exactly what they are doing. As the saying goes, "I hope they don't screw the pooch".
+GF+
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Post by brian on Sept 22, 2006 9:24:43 GMT -8
You've made several very good points George. FVAHC was a self appointed group of guys who, originally, came together to resolve supply issues. They have done a very good job of that. Some on the committe felt they should pursue other items including the disc brake issue. It was for this reason that I resigned from the committee.
All racing activity is down. Everyone I talk to in the business says their activity is down. Racing is down because of fuel costs and other economic considerations. "Modernizing" the FV isn't going to change that and like George says, it will probably hurt the class.
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Post by btatum on Sept 27, 2006 14:11:04 GMT -8
the class does need to "evolve". It is not growing and is actully shrinking. Disc brakes are a natural. We need to unplug the 8 tracks and start listening to CDs.
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Post by qposner on Sept 27, 2006 14:42:07 GMT -8
CD's?!?!?!?! Blake, you're behind before you even get ahead! Perhaps you meant MP3's? ;-)
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Post by btatum on Sept 27, 2006 15:53:47 GMT -8
Quinn, I did not want to shock anyone. I just wanted to get some movement however slight in a general northly direction, MP3's would be like alternative rock.
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Post by qposner on Sept 27, 2006 17:43:02 GMT -8
Duly noted and agreed.
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